1 00:00:12,783 --> 00:00:15,654 (BUS ENGINE ROAR) 2 00:00:23,628 --> 00:00:26,294 (INDISTINCT VOICES) 3 00:00:26,363 --> 00:00:27,963 MARGIE PANDOS: They didn't tell me your name. 4 00:00:28,032 --> 00:00:30,065 Michael. You can call me Michael. 5 00:00:30,134 --> 00:00:32,104 I'm Dr. Michael Gellis. 6 00:00:35,740 --> 00:00:38,110 Okay, you can take your time. 7 00:00:40,544 --> 00:00:42,310 NARRATOR: On February 10, 2010 8 00:00:42,379 --> 00:00:44,179 Margie Pandos accepted undergo hypnosis 9 00:00:44,248 --> 00:00:45,880 as part of the investigation. 10 00:00:45,949 --> 00:00:48,820 MICHAEL GELLIS: Okay, Let's do the first phase, okay? 11 00:00:50,421 --> 00:00:52,457 I want you to relax deeply... 12 00:00:53,457 --> 00:00:56,357 in a state deeper and more relaxed. 13 00:00:56,426 --> 00:00:59,564 You must be able to enter in a very concentrated state. 14 00:01:01,099 --> 00:01:03,431 We will go from on July 10, 2010, 15 00:01:03,500 --> 00:01:06,738 until February 11, 1987 16 00:01:07,539 --> 00:01:08,573 in the morning. 17 00:01:09,273 --> 00:01:10,309 (CLOCK TICK) 18 00:01:15,412 --> 00:01:17,713 MICHAEL: Tell me everything. what you are seeing, 19 00:01:17,782 --> 00:01:19,280 everything you're thinking 20 00:01:19,349 --> 00:01:21,220 and everything you're listening to. 21 00:01:23,387 --> 00:01:25,424 I'm waking up... 22 00:01:26,558 --> 00:01:28,127 Good, very good. 23 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,226 -Continue. -And I don't hear her shower. 24 00:01:31,295 --> 00:01:33,832 and that's something that I normally listen to. 25 00:01:35,032 --> 00:01:36,898 -It's... -So you don't hear the shower. 26 00:01:36,967 --> 00:01:38,400 Yes, she was... 27 00:01:38,469 --> 00:01:41,140 What are you thinking now you don't listen to her? 28 00:01:41,973 --> 00:01:44,176 That she has fallen asleep. 29 00:01:45,505 --> 00:01:47,276 Where are you? 30 00:01:47,345 --> 00:01:50,279 MARGIE: Going down the stairs. and turning around. 31 00:01:50,348 --> 00:01:51,881 MICHAEL: Okay, you're there. 32 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:53,781 -Tell me. Go on. -MARGIE: Yes. 33 00:01:53,850 --> 00:01:56,618 And... I try to open the door, but I can't, 34 00:01:56,687 --> 00:01:57,753 I'm still trying... 35 00:01:57,822 --> 00:02:00,923 trying and trying... 36 00:02:00,992 --> 00:02:02,423 Tell me what you think next. 37 00:02:02,492 --> 00:02:04,896 Is it like you're bothered by that? 38 00:02:06,330 --> 00:02:07,897 Where is she? 39 00:02:07,966 --> 00:02:09,668 Why is the door closed? 40 00:02:12,803 --> 00:02:15,170 MICHAEL: Go on. Tell me what you're thinking. 41 00:02:15,239 --> 00:02:17,276 -What is happening? -And now I call Ron. 42 00:02:18,275 --> 00:02:19,407 MICHAEL: What do you call it? 43 00:02:19,476 --> 00:02:21,109 MARGIE: I'm yelling at him. 44 00:02:21,178 --> 00:02:23,478 ♪ (TENSION MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 45 00:02:23,547 --> 00:02:26,551 And finally he goes down the stairs. 46 00:02:27,918 --> 00:02:29,584 MICHAEL: Can you see it? 47 00:02:29,653 --> 00:02:32,287 MARGIE: Yes, and probably he can't see well 48 00:02:32,356 --> 00:02:35,224 because he doesn't have his glasses or your contact lenses. 49 00:02:35,293 --> 00:02:37,596 (INHALE) AND... 50 00:02:40,031 --> 00:02:41,764 It's useless without them. 51 00:02:41,833 --> 00:02:43,198 And what happens next? 52 00:02:43,267 --> 00:02:44,569 We open the door. 53 00:02:47,337 --> 00:02:50,309 and there it is that old room... 54 00:02:50,908 --> 00:02:54,143 (CLOCK TICK) 55 00:02:54,212 --> 00:02:56,815 MARGIE: And... 56 00:02:57,482 --> 00:02:58,450 the note. 57 00:02:59,449 --> 00:03:01,249 What are you thinking... 58 00:03:01,318 --> 00:03:02,955 while you read the note? 59 00:03:03,921 --> 00:03:05,457 (CLOCK TICK) 60 00:03:09,493 --> 00:03:12,397 Who could be the person who took her away. 61 00:03:15,733 --> 00:03:18,370 Since you are there at that moment, what are you doing? 62 00:03:20,171 --> 00:03:21,473 (INHALE) 63 00:03:22,473 --> 00:03:25,240 Trying to read the note and I can't. 64 00:03:25,309 --> 00:03:26,545 (CLOCK TICK) 65 00:03:34,719 --> 00:03:35,754 And I can't. 66 00:03:41,593 --> 00:03:42,661 It's gone. 67 00:03:44,328 --> 00:03:46,565 ♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪ 68 00:03:48,465 --> 00:03:50,502 NARRATOR: The burden of proof. 69 00:03:58,242 --> 00:04:00,675 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 70 00:04:00,744 --> 00:04:03,682 -♪ (VIOLIN PLAYS IN THE BACKGROUND) ♪ -Can we stand up please? 71 00:04:08,787 --> 00:04:11,421 Stephen and Karen share their joy 72 00:04:11,490 --> 00:04:12,922 and celebrate their love. 73 00:04:12,991 --> 00:04:14,123 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 74 00:04:14,192 --> 00:04:18,260 PRIEST: Marriage is a gift from God in creation, 75 00:04:18,329 --> 00:04:19,956 through which husband and wife 76 00:04:20,025 --> 00:04:22,230 they can know the grace of God. 77 00:04:22,299 --> 00:04:24,033 It is made to measure that the man and the woman... 78 00:04:24,102 --> 00:04:26,801 -Stephen and his daughters. -PREST: ...they grow together 79 00:04:26,870 --> 00:04:30,605 In love and trust, they will unite each other in heart, 80 00:04:30,674 --> 00:04:34,076 body and mind like Christ He is united with his girlfriend... 81 00:04:34,145 --> 00:04:35,410 CYNTHIA HILL: I'm glad I went. 82 00:04:35,479 --> 00:04:37,580 I'm glad you did it. 83 00:04:37,649 --> 00:04:39,784 ♪ (REFLECTIVE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 84 00:04:50,660 --> 00:04:53,662 STEPHEN PANDOS: Yes, I'm still dealing with ambiguity. 85 00:04:53,731 --> 00:04:56,031 That is, I think the police know 86 00:04:56,100 --> 00:04:57,365 what this has done to him 87 00:04:57,434 --> 00:05:00,202 to the relationship with my mother. 88 00:05:00,271 --> 00:05:03,205 And I think that if they had information 89 00:05:03,274 --> 00:05:07,075 that ruled out participation from my mother in some way, 90 00:05:07,144 --> 00:05:08,813 You should share it with me. 91 00:05:12,550 --> 00:05:15,350 RON PANDOS: Yes the county from James City has information, 92 00:05:15,419 --> 00:05:17,118 let them tell me. Let them tell it to me straight. 93 00:05:17,187 --> 00:05:18,220 JENNIFER'S FATHER 94 00:05:18,289 --> 00:05:19,354 Tell Margie. 95 00:05:19,423 --> 00:05:21,890 They shouldn't keep to a family with doubts. 96 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:24,827 Because all they are doing is devastating it 97 00:05:24,896 --> 00:05:26,662 and destroy it. 98 00:05:26,731 --> 00:05:28,763 I think they are afraid to say: 99 00:05:28,832 --> 00:05:31,333 "Yes, we ruined this case from the beginning." 100 00:05:31,402 --> 00:05:33,969 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 101 00:05:34,038 --> 00:05:35,574 (RINGTONE) 102 00:05:36,707 --> 00:05:38,239 STEPHEN CALLS TO RESEARCHER JAKE RICE 103 00:05:38,308 --> 00:05:39,942 STEPHEN: Hi, Jake. It's Stephen. 104 00:05:40,011 --> 00:05:41,838 -JAKE RICE: Yes. -STEPHEN: How are you? 105 00:05:41,907 --> 00:05:43,245 JAKE: Hello, very good. 106 00:05:43,314 --> 00:05:45,614 STEPHEN: Good. Hey, quick question. 107 00:05:45,683 --> 00:05:47,452 I'm trying to find out... 108 00:05:48,653 --> 00:05:51,353 Do you think my mother... 109 00:05:51,422 --> 00:05:53,892 is telling the truth about what you know? 110 00:05:55,293 --> 00:05:57,459 JAKE: The problem that we have had, 111 00:05:57,528 --> 00:05:59,594 and it is the same that you have had... 112 00:05:59,663 --> 00:06:03,026 is that your parents never They have helped themselves. 113 00:06:03,095 --> 00:06:05,234 -TRUE. -JAKE: It always seemed 114 00:06:05,303 --> 00:06:09,199 that there was something that they were hiding. 115 00:06:09,268 --> 00:06:11,206 Until I can prove the opposite, 116 00:06:11,275 --> 00:06:14,513 will be suspected that They were in the house with her. 117 00:06:16,613 --> 00:06:19,982 I still have things at the national laboratory. 118 00:06:20,051 --> 00:06:22,550 I can't create a line of time about that. 119 00:06:22,619 --> 00:06:26,755 I understand. And are they forensic type things? 120 00:06:26,824 --> 00:06:29,859 Is it calligraphy? Can you give me an idea 121 00:06:29,928 --> 00:06:31,560 -what is it? -JAKE: Calligraphy things. 122 00:06:31,629 --> 00:06:32,661 It's some calligraphy. 123 00:06:32,730 --> 00:06:34,697 JAKE: Very good. OK. 124 00:06:34,766 --> 00:06:36,660 Okay, very good. I'll talk to you soon, Jake. 125 00:06:36,729 --> 00:06:37,702 See you. 126 00:06:41,138 --> 00:06:42,738 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 127 00:06:42,807 --> 00:06:45,544 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 128 00:06:48,579 --> 00:06:51,080 STEPHEN: I called Jake Rice to the police department. 129 00:06:51,149 --> 00:06:53,949 He said he had some things in the laboratory, 130 00:06:54,018 --> 00:06:55,550 some calligraphy. 131 00:06:55,619 --> 00:06:58,020 But he hasn't told you yet what it is exactly. 132 00:06:58,089 --> 00:06:59,522 He hasn't done it. 133 00:06:59,591 --> 00:07:01,824 Well, I hope... 134 00:07:01,893 --> 00:07:04,893 don't leave you sitting there thinking and thinking, 135 00:07:04,962 --> 00:07:07,963 that somehow give you information 136 00:07:08,032 --> 00:07:09,601 of what is happening. 137 00:07:13,871 --> 00:07:14,969 This is just 138 00:07:15,038 --> 00:07:17,372 handwriting analysis from my mother that was made 139 00:07:17,441 --> 00:07:19,844 by the department of Forensic Sciences. 140 00:07:24,081 --> 00:07:26,581 CYNTHIA: What do you know? so far about the note? 141 00:07:26,650 --> 00:07:29,751 STEPHEN: In the analysis of my father's calligraphy, 142 00:07:29,820 --> 00:07:31,819 they discarded it as the writer of the note. 143 00:07:31,888 --> 00:07:34,924 But it was not conclusive As far as my mother is concerned. 144 00:07:34,993 --> 00:07:36,525 CYNTHIA: How did you interpret that? 145 00:07:36,594 --> 00:07:39,094 I interpreted that as an indication 146 00:07:39,163 --> 00:07:40,795 that she wrote the note. 147 00:07:40,864 --> 00:07:43,065 Yes, it was inconclusive. that she wrote it, 148 00:07:43,134 --> 00:07:45,300 but it was always said with the context 149 00:07:45,369 --> 00:07:47,506 of "she probably wrote it." 150 00:07:48,672 --> 00:07:50,139 NARRATOR: Stephen hired to an analyst 151 00:07:50,208 --> 00:07:53,008 to re-examine handwriting samples 152 00:07:53,077 --> 00:07:55,614 that the police had collected in the past. 153 00:07:56,781 --> 00:08:00,315 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 154 00:08:00,384 --> 00:08:02,183 CYNTHIA: Who? are we calling? 155 00:08:02,252 --> 00:08:05,590 We're calling Sheila Lowe, 156 00:08:06,124 --> 00:08:07,526 which is a... 157 00:08:08,593 --> 00:08:09,824 I think that a graphologist, 158 00:08:09,893 --> 00:08:12,527 some kind of expert handwriting examiner. 159 00:08:12,596 --> 00:08:16,364 I try to learn about that. Hello, Sheila. 160 00:08:16,433 --> 00:08:18,333 -Hello. -STEPHEN: How are you? 161 00:08:18,402 --> 00:08:19,668 SHEILA LOWE: I'm fine. And you? 162 00:08:19,737 --> 00:08:20,903 I'm very well. Thank you. 163 00:08:20,972 --> 00:08:22,705 I guess you have the note they found 164 00:08:22,774 --> 00:08:24,109 when he disappeared. 165 00:08:24,576 --> 00:08:25,675 SHEILA: Yes. 166 00:08:25,744 --> 00:08:26,942 CALLIGRAPHY ANALYST 167 00:08:27,011 --> 00:08:28,944 STEPHEN: So you have samples of Kerry Hendrix, 168 00:08:29,013 --> 00:08:32,515 of his letter, from her ex-boyfriend, Tony 169 00:08:32,583 --> 00:08:34,816 and my parents. 170 00:08:34,885 --> 00:08:38,053 The police had someone I looked at this a long time ago 171 00:08:38,122 --> 00:08:41,223 and they discarded my father as the writer of the note. 172 00:08:41,292 --> 00:08:43,625 I totally agree 173 00:08:43,694 --> 00:08:46,661 in which your father He was not the one who wrote the note. 174 00:08:46,730 --> 00:08:50,766 Your handwriting is very rigid and extremely linear 175 00:08:50,835 --> 00:08:53,668 that would be almost impossible for him 176 00:08:53,737 --> 00:08:56,399 write in a way rounded like this. 177 00:08:56,468 --> 00:08:59,509 Do you think my mother did you write it then? 178 00:08:59,578 --> 00:09:01,304 -SHEILA: No. -No? 179 00:09:01,373 --> 00:09:02,944 I don't believe it, the sample I reviewed 180 00:09:03,013 --> 00:09:06,181 was written around the time in which they wrote the note. 181 00:09:06,250 --> 00:09:08,749 I'm looking at the shapes of the individual letters 182 00:09:08,818 --> 00:09:12,520 and the spacing, which is the most important thing, 183 00:09:12,589 --> 00:09:15,624 It's so inconsistent which is not something 184 00:09:15,693 --> 00:09:17,758 that the person go think about changing. 185 00:09:17,827 --> 00:09:20,729 It seems to me that your spacing It is more compact. 186 00:09:20,798 --> 00:09:22,732 The words are written 187 00:09:22,801 --> 00:09:24,533 closer than in the note, 188 00:09:24,601 --> 00:09:26,902 that has a space quite spacious. 189 00:09:26,971 --> 00:09:28,604 STEPHEN: Yes, It is a fairly large space. 190 00:09:28,673 --> 00:09:30,272 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 191 00:09:30,341 --> 00:09:32,402 SHEILA: One of the reasons why I discarded it 192 00:09:32,471 --> 00:09:34,909 it was because of the shape in which he made the efs. 193 00:09:34,978 --> 00:09:38,613 They were very sharp and pointed at the top. 194 00:09:38,682 --> 00:09:40,483 That indicates a strong personality. 195 00:09:40,552 --> 00:09:41,484 STEPHEN: I understand. 196 00:09:41,553 --> 00:09:44,323 That's not in the note. 197 00:09:45,924 --> 00:09:48,289 I checked the man's handwriting 198 00:09:48,358 --> 00:09:50,895 -for the one she cared for... -STEPHEN: Kerry Hendrix. Yes. 199 00:09:51,428 --> 00:09:53,562 Yes. But again, 200 00:09:53,631 --> 00:09:56,135 I couldn't find no evidence. 201 00:09:56,835 --> 00:10:01,631 Now, Tony, I had ruled it out 202 00:10:01,700 --> 00:10:05,540 and then I saw a sample that put it back on the map 203 00:10:05,609 --> 00:10:08,610 up to a point. That was this one. 204 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,580 That was the only one that was large and rounded. 205 00:10:12,649 --> 00:10:14,917 But there are still some features 206 00:10:14,986 --> 00:10:16,384 which are quite different. 207 00:10:16,453 --> 00:10:18,286 And there isn't the kind of evidence 208 00:10:18,355 --> 00:10:20,021 that I would look for to say he did it. 209 00:10:20,090 --> 00:10:22,023 TONY TOBLER SAMPLE SAMPLE NOTE IN THE SCENE 210 00:10:22,092 --> 00:10:24,259 SHEILA: But it was interesting. that had the capacity 211 00:10:24,328 --> 00:10:25,830 to write this way. 212 00:10:27,531 --> 00:10:29,264 -It's not like DNA. -STEPHEN: Sure. 213 00:10:29,333 --> 00:10:30,626 It's an opinion. 214 00:10:30,695 --> 00:10:34,170 some mysteries They are simply unsolvable. 215 00:10:34,239 --> 00:10:35,307 I understand. 216 00:10:46,784 --> 00:10:47,750 (BIRDS SINGING) 217 00:10:47,819 --> 00:10:49,217 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 218 00:10:49,286 --> 00:10:51,153 NARRATOR: After finding the original case file, 219 00:10:51,222 --> 00:10:52,988 Jake Rice reported to Ron Pandos 220 00:10:53,057 --> 00:10:55,458 that the researchers They were looking for new clues. 221 00:10:55,527 --> 00:10:57,963 (MOTORCYCLE ROAR) 222 00:11:04,401 --> 00:11:05,868 CYNTHIA: And what did you discover? 223 00:11:05,937 --> 00:11:08,203 RON: Jack. Jake, whatever your name is... 224 00:11:08,272 --> 00:11:10,973 James City County Jack the one everyone talked to. 225 00:11:11,042 --> 00:11:14,779 He said there was information in the file 226 00:11:15,513 --> 00:11:18,247 that was overlooked. 227 00:11:18,316 --> 00:11:20,977 And it was a guy with only one arm, 228 00:11:21,046 --> 00:11:22,283 Charlie May. 229 00:11:22,352 --> 00:11:24,753 And I told him: "Never I've heard of the guy." 230 00:11:24,822 --> 00:11:26,688 So I still don't know who he is. 231 00:11:26,757 --> 00:11:28,891 a researcher James City County 232 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:33,429 Charlie May told me had a relationship 233 00:11:33,498 --> 00:11:34,766 with Tony Tobler. 234 00:11:35,366 --> 00:11:36,899 Who is this Tony? 235 00:11:36,967 --> 00:11:40,535 RON: Tony Tobler He was Jennifer's boyfriend. 236 00:11:40,604 --> 00:11:42,174 CYNTHIA: What makes you think that? 237 00:11:43,141 --> 00:11:44,473 makes me think 238 00:11:44,542 --> 00:11:46,908 who the hell is this Charlie May 239 00:11:46,977 --> 00:11:48,708 and what is really happening. 240 00:11:49,514 --> 00:11:51,283 And Tony Tobler... 241 00:11:52,617 --> 00:11:54,750 because still in my mind 242 00:11:54,819 --> 00:11:57,285 I think he has something to do with this. 243 00:11:57,354 --> 00:11:59,922 I'm just being totally honest. 244 00:11:59,991 --> 00:12:02,061 (CRICKETS CHIRPING) 245 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:04,293 CYNTHIA: The police mentioned 246 00:12:04,362 --> 00:12:06,662 the name of Charlie May to your father 247 00:12:06,731 --> 00:12:08,167 Do you know who it is? 248 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:09,565 DOCUMENTALIST 249 00:12:09,634 --> 00:12:10,699 We have been investigating it. 250 00:12:10,768 --> 00:12:12,034 STEPHEN: I never... I don't know who it is... 251 00:12:12,103 --> 00:12:13,669 -CYNTHIA: Yes. -STEPHEN: I have no idea. 252 00:12:13,738 --> 00:12:14,970 -Whose is it? -CYNTHIA: We have been 253 00:12:15,039 --> 00:12:17,873 working, we have been doing everything possible to... 254 00:12:17,942 --> 00:12:20,075 Was he a friend of Jennifer's? Was he a...? 255 00:12:20,144 --> 00:12:22,578 CYNTHIA: Apparently, He was a friend of Tony's. 256 00:12:22,647 --> 00:12:24,713 and he was an old man. 257 00:12:24,782 --> 00:12:26,748 -And... -KAREN LICHTIN: How old? 258 00:12:26,817 --> 00:12:29,184 CYNTHIA: And, apparently, He only has one arm. 259 00:12:29,253 --> 00:12:31,219 So we've been investigating, 260 00:12:31,288 --> 00:12:33,489 trying to find out who is this person 261 00:12:33,558 --> 00:12:34,657 -Very good. -KAREN: Yes there is 262 00:12:34,726 --> 00:12:37,125 a significant finding, 263 00:12:37,194 --> 00:12:39,798 Are you required to tell him to the family? 264 00:12:40,632 --> 00:12:42,330 (GENTLY) I don't know. 265 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:43,699 CYNTHIA: Yeah, there's something about it. 266 00:12:43,768 --> 00:12:45,234 He's up to something. 267 00:12:45,303 --> 00:12:47,839 KAREN: I think. that they have found something. 268 00:12:49,073 --> 00:12:52,244 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYS SOFT ELECTRONICS) ♪ 269 00:12:55,079 --> 00:12:57,112 NARRATOR: The documentary filmmakers were alerted 270 00:12:57,181 --> 00:12:59,581 that a man with a single arm named Charlie May 271 00:12:59,650 --> 00:13:03,118 had been arrested in 2019 for assault in Florida. 272 00:13:03,187 --> 00:13:05,390 But his whereabouts were unknown. 273 00:13:08,258 --> 00:13:10,693 Shortly after, the documentary filmmakers found out 274 00:13:10,762 --> 00:13:12,127 of an audience of the grand jury 275 00:13:12,196 --> 00:13:14,930 about Jennifer's case in Williamsburg, Virginia. 276 00:13:14,999 --> 00:13:16,936 It was a secret procedure. 277 00:13:19,403 --> 00:13:21,837 Charlie May and researcher Jake Rice 278 00:13:21,906 --> 00:13:23,542 attended the hearing. 279 00:13:31,882 --> 00:13:33,314 Tony Tobler was also seen 280 00:13:33,383 --> 00:13:35,921 entering the audience of the grand jury. 281 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,392 The researchers they did not notify 282 00:13:43,461 --> 00:13:44,425 to the Pandos family 283 00:13:44,494 --> 00:13:46,999 about the procedures of the grand jury. 284 00:13:53,505 --> 00:13:54,970 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 285 00:13:55,039 --> 00:13:56,605 -CYNTHIA: Good morning. -Good morning. 286 00:13:56,674 --> 00:13:59,708 You just... Good morning. 287 00:13:59,777 --> 00:14:01,810 It became something that we didn't expect. 288 00:14:01,879 --> 00:14:03,612 RESEARCHER JAKE RICE JAMES CITY POLICE 289 00:14:03,681 --> 00:14:05,046 CYNTHIA: Amen to that. 290 00:14:05,115 --> 00:14:06,682 -And this is... -I don't believe 291 00:14:06,751 --> 00:14:08,684 that our department will wait 292 00:14:08,753 --> 00:14:11,587 that the case had, you know, 293 00:14:11,656 --> 00:14:13,388 I don't want to say that... 294 00:14:13,457 --> 00:14:16,959 At one point, everything pointed to a result. 295 00:14:17,028 --> 00:14:18,327 CYNTHIA: Mom and dad. 296 00:14:18,396 --> 00:14:22,164 So now we have new information showing 297 00:14:22,233 --> 00:14:27,102 that they weren't mom and dad, we cannot ignore it. 298 00:14:27,171 --> 00:14:30,806 CYNTHIA: So, Have they ruled out the parents now? 299 00:14:30,875 --> 00:14:32,941 I won't answer that question at this moment. 300 00:14:33,010 --> 00:14:36,346 CYNTHIA: Is there anything What can you tell Stephen? 301 00:14:36,415 --> 00:14:38,246 at this moment? 302 00:14:38,315 --> 00:14:40,849 I've met with Stephen. I told him 303 00:14:40,918 --> 00:14:43,953 let us do our work, 304 00:14:44,022 --> 00:14:45,921 and once we have information 305 00:14:45,990 --> 00:14:47,423 that we can share, 306 00:14:47,492 --> 00:14:48,560 I will give it to you. 307 00:14:50,228 --> 00:14:51,793 CYNTHIA: Is there anything what can you tell us 308 00:14:51,862 --> 00:14:53,398 about the special grand jury? 309 00:14:54,999 --> 00:14:56,668 I don't know what you're talking about. 310 00:14:57,969 --> 00:15:00,339 I can't talk about anything at this moment. 311 00:15:01,939 --> 00:15:04,143 ♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 312 00:15:06,577 --> 00:15:09,949 NARRATOR: Eight months later. May, 2020. 313 00:15:11,681 --> 00:15:13,815 -STEPHEN: (RECORDING) Hello? -CYNTHIA: Hello. 314 00:15:13,884 --> 00:15:17,118 STEPHEN: I sent him a message. text to Jake this morning. 315 00:15:17,187 --> 00:15:19,354 And he called me later from the laboratory. 316 00:15:19,423 --> 00:15:21,022 STEPHEN TALKING WITH THE DOCUMENTALIST 317 00:15:21,091 --> 00:15:23,959 And he asked me if my mother or I had... 318 00:15:24,028 --> 00:15:26,527 some other writing from Jennifer. 319 00:15:26,596 --> 00:15:29,998 Ideally, some writing samples 320 00:15:30,067 --> 00:15:31,767 by Tony's hand. 321 00:15:31,836 --> 00:15:33,035 But it seemed like they had 322 00:15:33,104 --> 00:15:36,738 two smaller samples from Tony's lyrics 323 00:15:36,807 --> 00:15:40,909 and that the analysis of that letter 324 00:15:40,978 --> 00:15:44,046 does not rule it out as the writer of the note. 325 00:15:44,115 --> 00:15:47,316 And that's why he called looking for other samples 326 00:15:47,385 --> 00:15:51,219 from Tony's lyrics from his high school days. 327 00:15:51,288 --> 00:15:54,022 I don't know if my mother I would have samples 328 00:15:54,091 --> 00:15:56,295 from Tony's lyrics of that period of time. 329 00:15:59,330 --> 00:16:01,296 AUTOMATIC VOICE: This call will be recorded. 330 00:16:01,365 --> 00:16:03,365 CYNTHIA: Hey, I just want to. let you know that I called 331 00:16:03,434 --> 00:16:07,002 to your mother and she has a box of notes 332 00:16:07,071 --> 00:16:09,938 that Jen moved from one side to another. 333 00:16:10,007 --> 00:16:11,974 But he found it in his attic. 334 00:16:12,043 --> 00:16:13,741 She said I could go and pick it up. 335 00:16:13,810 --> 00:16:16,378 -So that's what I'm going to do. -STEPHEN: Okay, great. 336 00:16:16,447 --> 00:16:18,481 -CYNTHIA: Hello, Margie. -MARGIE: Hello. 337 00:16:18,550 --> 00:16:19,314 CYNTHIA: Is he here? 338 00:16:19,383 --> 00:16:20,816 MARGIE: Yes, the box. Puma tennis shoes. 339 00:16:20,885 --> 00:16:22,321 The Puma tennis box. Okay. 340 00:16:22,987 --> 00:16:24,356 MARGIE: Good. 341 00:16:24,922 --> 00:16:27,326 This one here is from Tony. 342 00:16:28,158 --> 00:16:29,792 -CYNTHIA: It is. -That's how it is. 343 00:16:29,861 --> 00:16:31,696 CYNTHIA: Very good. Thank you. 344 00:16:45,009 --> 00:16:47,142 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 345 00:16:47,211 --> 00:16:49,648 -STEPHEN: (SIGH) Okay. -CYNTHIA: Good. 346 00:16:54,385 --> 00:16:56,352 CYNTHIA: Yes, I think that's Tony's. 347 00:16:56,421 --> 00:16:57,386 My God. 348 00:16:57,455 --> 00:17:00,392 Well, we can order Tony's. 349 00:17:01,593 --> 00:17:02,694 This is from Tony. 350 00:17:06,396 --> 00:17:08,767 It seems that my sister wrote a short note. 351 00:17:11,436 --> 00:17:12,437 Tony. 352 00:17:12,837 --> 00:17:14,073 Tony. 353 00:17:14,572 --> 00:17:15,738 Tony. 354 00:17:15,807 --> 00:17:17,672 Yes, these are them. These are all. 355 00:17:17,741 --> 00:17:22,310 There are dozens of them here. Jake is going to be very happy. 356 00:17:22,379 --> 00:17:24,279 CYNTHIA: But did he tell you? What do you think Tony was? 357 00:17:24,348 --> 00:17:26,151 Tony. Yes, he said that. 358 00:17:28,052 --> 00:17:29,551 I wonder why this guy, 359 00:17:29,620 --> 00:17:33,292 Why Charlie May? Which is it...? 360 00:17:35,226 --> 00:17:37,660 What's the... you know...? 361 00:17:37,729 --> 00:17:39,261 What is the connection? 362 00:17:39,330 --> 00:17:42,130 We know some things 363 00:17:42,199 --> 00:17:43,866 of which we have not said anything. 364 00:17:43,935 --> 00:17:46,268 They did have a special grand jury. 365 00:17:46,337 --> 00:17:50,573 And we went to see him. We saw Tony 366 00:17:50,642 --> 00:17:53,108 and Charlie May enter. 367 00:17:53,177 --> 00:17:56,448 -When was that? -That was in August. 368 00:18:05,055 --> 00:18:06,791 I wish someone had told me. 369 00:18:09,827 --> 00:18:11,496 (PHONE RINGS) 370 00:18:12,196 --> 00:18:13,295 STEPHEN: Hello? 371 00:18:13,364 --> 00:18:14,629 JAKE: Hi Stephen, I'm Jake. 372 00:18:14,698 --> 00:18:20,001 Well, we received a box with letters from Tony. 373 00:18:20,070 --> 00:18:22,733 There's like... 50 of them here. 374 00:18:22,802 --> 00:18:24,272 Do you want me to send them all to you? 375 00:18:24,341 --> 00:18:25,373 -JAKE: Yes. -STEPHEN: Do you want 376 00:18:25,442 --> 00:18:26,870 -some of them? -JAKE: All of them. 377 00:18:26,939 --> 00:18:28,310 Well, I'll send them to you tonight 378 00:18:28,379 --> 00:18:31,080 -You will have this tomorrow. -JAKE: Okay. 379 00:18:31,149 --> 00:18:33,318 A question. Am... 380 00:18:34,647 --> 00:18:36,785 What... what changed... 381 00:18:36,854 --> 00:18:39,791 or what they found 382 00:18:40,624 --> 00:18:42,623 that is taking them Towards Tony? 383 00:18:42,692 --> 00:18:44,659 Because I'm trying to process all of this, Jake. 384 00:18:44,728 --> 00:18:46,996 JAKE: Well, when I met you, 385 00:18:47,065 --> 00:18:48,696 when finding that file. 386 00:18:48,765 --> 00:18:51,300 There were names there of some people 387 00:18:51,369 --> 00:18:54,836 with which he had never met spoken or had contact. 388 00:18:54,905 --> 00:18:59,240 So that took me to find an individual 389 00:18:59,309 --> 00:19:01,609 who gave me information 390 00:19:01,678 --> 00:19:04,647 that took me even further where I'm going now. 391 00:19:04,716 --> 00:19:06,042 This is very difficult. 392 00:19:06,111 --> 00:19:09,217 We don't have a body or a place to say: 393 00:19:09,286 --> 00:19:11,719 "This was a scene of crime 30 years ago. 394 00:19:11,788 --> 00:19:14,389 If I send all this and the result says: 395 00:19:14,458 --> 00:19:17,259 "Definitely this individual has written the letter", 396 00:19:17,328 --> 00:19:19,628 then someone will have to give explanations. 397 00:19:19,697 --> 00:19:20,957 Okay. 398 00:19:21,026 --> 00:19:22,898 Very good. Well, I'll get this to you. 399 00:19:22,967 --> 00:19:24,299 You will have it tomorrow. 400 00:19:24,368 --> 00:19:25,935 JAKE: Very good. I apreciate it. 401 00:19:26,004 --> 00:19:27,068 Okay, thanks. 402 00:19:27,137 --> 00:19:28,369 -JAKE: Very good, thank you. -Alright. 403 00:19:28,438 --> 00:19:29,738 -JAKE: Goodbye. -Bye bye. 404 00:19:29,807 --> 00:19:31,306 (BUTTON CLICK) 405 00:19:31,375 --> 00:19:33,578 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS ON PIANO) ♪ 406 00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:47,259 I LOVE YOU 407 00:19:49,927 --> 00:19:51,861 STEPHEN: "February 24, 1986." 408 00:19:51,930 --> 00:19:52,795 LETTERS FROM TONY TO JENNIFER 409 00:19:52,864 --> 00:19:54,830 "I love you very much. I want to go shopping with you 410 00:19:54,899 --> 00:19:56,893 to be able to buy you a promise ring 411 00:19:56,962 --> 00:19:59,068 I seriously do it because I love you 412 00:19:59,137 --> 00:20:00,636 and I wouldn't care marry you." 413 00:20:00,705 --> 00:20:02,737 "March 24, 1986. 414 00:20:02,806 --> 00:20:05,340 I want to fall asleep with you soon. 415 00:20:05,409 --> 00:20:07,543 If you and I ever we have a son, 416 00:20:07,612 --> 00:20:09,444 and I think that will be the case, I hope so. 417 00:20:09,513 --> 00:20:11,747 If it's a girl, "I want him to look like you." 418 00:20:11,816 --> 00:20:14,110 "June 6, 1986. 419 00:20:14,179 --> 00:20:16,384 While we solve our problems, 420 00:20:16,453 --> 00:20:19,254 we will stay together, unless you fool me 421 00:20:19,323 --> 00:20:20,755 or I cheated on you. 422 00:20:20,824 --> 00:20:23,325 However, don't think that this will happen, 423 00:20:23,394 --> 00:20:24,759 because we love each other. 424 00:20:24,828 --> 00:20:27,799 And you know, I would kill you and the other person." 425 00:20:28,466 --> 00:20:29,564 CYNTHIA: So this one, 426 00:20:29,633 --> 00:20:31,967 Stephen, this is from the 24th of September. 427 00:20:32,036 --> 00:20:34,569 right after They broke up over the abortion. 428 00:20:34,638 --> 00:20:37,305 STEPHEN: "How are you doing? You seem to be in a good mood. 429 00:20:37,374 --> 00:20:38,835 I called you last night several times 430 00:20:38,904 --> 00:20:40,475 and I let the phone ring 431 00:20:40,544 --> 00:20:42,714 about four times, but you never called." 432 00:20:45,215 --> 00:20:46,447 DONNIE NORRELL: This is a package 433 00:20:46,516 --> 00:20:48,853 that we just received. They are the... 434 00:20:49,353 --> 00:20:50,685 Jennifer's notes. 435 00:20:50,754 --> 00:20:52,487 EX-MILITARY INTERROGATOR PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 436 00:20:52,556 --> 00:20:54,522 In those notes, I read a part where she describes 437 00:20:54,591 --> 00:20:56,792 a sexual act what she did with him. 438 00:20:56,861 --> 00:20:59,394 "October 11, 1986." 439 00:20:59,463 --> 00:21:01,697 -DONNIE: After the abortion. -When did you have the abortion? 440 00:21:01,766 --> 00:21:05,267 DONNIE: I think it was. in August 1986. 441 00:21:05,336 --> 00:21:08,369 Aha. "My arms They have marks on them, 442 00:21:08,438 --> 00:21:10,605 not to mention the bruises where did you throw me from 443 00:21:10,674 --> 00:21:12,307 on the bed. I hope you're happy." 444 00:21:12,376 --> 00:21:13,508 LETTERS FROM JENNIFER TO TONY 445 00:21:13,577 --> 00:21:15,744 LENA: "Stop treating me like a stupid whore. 446 00:21:15,813 --> 00:21:19,214 Call me when you say You will do it, I told you not to..." 447 00:21:19,283 --> 00:21:20,582 STEPHEN: "I told you that I don't care 448 00:21:20,651 --> 00:21:22,617 if it's two in the morning. just call me 449 00:21:22,686 --> 00:21:24,653 when you say you will. Stop lying to me. 450 00:21:24,722 --> 00:21:27,322 I know you couldn't stay away from Cori 451 00:21:27,391 --> 00:21:28,923 for one damn day. now I see 452 00:21:28,992 --> 00:21:31,292 why didn't you want me to go to the mall with you. 453 00:21:31,361 --> 00:21:33,929 Because you had already planned pick up Cori." 454 00:21:33,998 --> 00:21:35,431 In August she had the abortion. 455 00:21:35,500 --> 00:21:37,098 In October of '86, 456 00:21:37,167 --> 00:21:38,566 he was still looking for Tony. 457 00:21:38,635 --> 00:21:40,803 The letter says which gave him bruises. 458 00:21:40,872 --> 00:21:41,671 She still loved him. 459 00:21:41,740 --> 00:21:43,171 DONNIE: But he was with Cori. 460 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:44,306 LENA SISCO: With Cori. 461 00:21:44,375 --> 00:21:46,876 And then, in February of '87, she disappears. 462 00:21:46,945 --> 00:21:48,543 DONNIE: Mm-mm. 463 00:21:48,612 --> 00:21:51,213 LENA: So, yes still They were together in October, 464 00:21:51,282 --> 00:21:52,881 were you still together in February? 465 00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:54,784 DONNIE: They looked hidden from Cori. 466 00:21:54,853 --> 00:21:55,517 LENA: Good. 467 00:21:55,586 --> 00:21:56,618 Did they see each other secretly? 468 00:21:56,687 --> 00:21:58,153 Because that is what they were doing... 469 00:21:58,222 --> 00:21:59,658 -DONNIE: Yes. -...behind Cori's back. 470 00:22:02,126 --> 00:22:04,029 I didn't know anything about this. 471 00:22:08,966 --> 00:22:10,330 I didn't know anything about this. 472 00:22:20,178 --> 00:22:22,578 TONY TOBLER: Tailored that things change in your life 473 00:22:22,647 --> 00:22:24,112 and your address goes somewhere else, 474 00:22:24,181 --> 00:22:25,114 you don't think about it. 475 00:22:25,183 --> 00:22:26,281 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 476 00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:29,184 After a certain amount of time, 477 00:22:29,253 --> 00:22:30,586 there is simply nothing. 478 00:22:30,655 --> 00:22:32,854 When you think about it, 479 00:22:32,923 --> 00:22:35,690 and you do it very often actually, 480 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:38,894 you reach a point in which, simply, 481 00:22:38,963 --> 00:22:40,528 you forget about that. 482 00:22:40,597 --> 00:22:42,230 CYNTHIA: Did anyone think ever 483 00:22:42,299 --> 00:22:43,799 that you had something what to do with that? 484 00:22:43,868 --> 00:22:44,732 What did you say? 485 00:22:44,801 --> 00:22:46,469 CYNTHIA: Anything. what has to do with it 486 00:22:46,538 --> 00:22:47,806 with his disappearance. 487 00:22:48,507 --> 00:22:50,239 Any participation. 488 00:22:50,308 --> 00:22:52,373 What if I thought that other people 489 00:22:52,442 --> 00:22:55,043 they believed that I had something to do with that? 490 00:22:55,112 --> 00:22:57,745 Not until years later. 491 00:22:57,814 --> 00:23:01,951 I was talking to an officer of police on his father, 492 00:23:02,020 --> 00:23:06,588 you know, my guess was: "Well, 493 00:23:06,657 --> 00:23:10,059 talk to him." And my answer was... 494 00:23:10,128 --> 00:23:12,531 I think I was 16 years old. 495 00:23:14,032 --> 00:23:17,732 Okay. What would I have? what to do with that? 496 00:23:17,801 --> 00:23:20,430 CHRISTINE DELP: Can you talk a little about the rumors 497 00:23:20,499 --> 00:23:24,139 about mental health? Where did that really come from? 498 00:23:24,208 --> 00:23:27,209 CYNTHIA: Were you assuming? What was it about the breakup? 499 00:23:27,278 --> 00:23:29,478 Because of the breakup? 500 00:23:29,547 --> 00:23:32,184 How long do you think that she and I go out? 501 00:23:33,317 --> 00:23:34,649 Because it wasn't long. 502 00:23:34,718 --> 00:23:37,456 I mean, It wasn't years or anything like that. 503 00:23:41,825 --> 00:23:44,196 KAREN: He launched it. for a big loop 504 00:23:45,262 --> 00:23:48,428 and it has made him question everything. 505 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:50,430 It has been torture. 506 00:23:51,235 --> 00:23:52,668 Just to be frank. 507 00:23:52,737 --> 00:23:57,505 I think you want to understand and believe 508 00:23:57,574 --> 00:24:02,077 that maybe this new twist who has taken the case 509 00:24:02,146 --> 00:24:03,946 and the story is true. 510 00:24:04,015 --> 00:24:06,643 I think you really want let it be true 511 00:24:06,712 --> 00:24:08,050 For me, 512 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,487 there are still some things really strange. 513 00:24:11,556 --> 00:24:14,156 If your daughter disappeared, 514 00:24:14,225 --> 00:24:17,229 Why would I invent something? 515 00:24:18,262 --> 00:24:19,494 Because...? 516 00:24:19,563 --> 00:24:22,397 For everything what I have seen and read, 517 00:24:22,466 --> 00:24:25,468 It still makes me suspicious. 518 00:24:25,537 --> 00:24:28,270 I don't think I'll ever 519 00:24:28,339 --> 00:24:30,138 reconciles with his father. 520 00:24:30,207 --> 00:24:34,677 But he's talking every time more about, you know, 521 00:24:34,746 --> 00:24:36,546 reconcile with his mother 522 00:24:36,615 --> 00:24:38,680 and show compassion. 523 00:24:38,749 --> 00:24:41,717 He keeps using that word over and over again with me. 524 00:24:41,786 --> 00:24:43,555 -CYNTHIA: Compassion. -Compassion. 525 00:24:45,823 --> 00:24:47,317 STEPHEN TALKING WITH THE DOCUMENTALIST 526 00:24:47,386 --> 00:24:50,525 It's difficult. Know? It's very difficult. 527 00:24:50,594 --> 00:24:54,395 And I don't know if Jake or anyone will give me enough 528 00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:56,397 to be able to make a decision 529 00:24:56,466 --> 00:24:59,034 about my relationship with my mother. 530 00:24:59,103 --> 00:25:01,704 I hope to know something more of what I have now, 531 00:25:01,773 --> 00:25:03,572 which is basically nothing. 532 00:25:03,641 --> 00:25:05,808 Why would the name arise by Charlie May? 533 00:25:05,877 --> 00:25:08,109 I don't know what Charlie said to him. to the police. 534 00:25:08,178 --> 00:25:09,614 I need to know. 535 00:25:16,621 --> 00:25:17,886 This is... 536 00:25:17,955 --> 00:25:20,755 I guess Tony's to Jennifer. 537 00:25:20,824 --> 00:25:23,693 This is from a note dated on April 11, 1986. 538 00:25:23,762 --> 00:25:24,960 LETTERS FROM TONY TO JENNIFER 539 00:25:25,029 --> 00:25:26,629 STEPHEN: "I'm glad that you called me last night 540 00:25:26,698 --> 00:25:27,930 when I was with Charlie. 541 00:25:27,999 --> 00:25:29,432 I'm glad I had that talk we had. 542 00:25:29,501 --> 00:25:30,432 "I love you so much." 543 00:25:30,501 --> 00:25:31,667 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 544 00:25:31,736 --> 00:25:33,868 "February 3, 1986. 545 00:25:33,937 --> 00:25:36,738 Dear Jennifer, how are you? I am very bad. 546 00:25:36,807 --> 00:25:38,273 right now I am at Charlie's house. 547 00:25:38,342 --> 00:25:40,509 I tried to call you, but you were babysitting." 548 00:25:40,578 --> 00:25:43,779 "April 11, 1986. It's 12:30. 549 00:25:43,848 --> 00:25:45,848 I just passed the last hour and a half 550 00:25:45,917 --> 00:25:47,883 talking to charlie in the forest 551 00:25:47,952 --> 00:25:50,152 Jennifer, I cried tonight. 552 00:25:50,221 --> 00:25:51,790 I cried for Charlie..." 553 00:25:55,894 --> 00:25:57,658 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 554 00:25:57,727 --> 00:26:01,296 There are many notes here that mention Charlie. 555 00:26:01,365 --> 00:26:04,432 So, clearly, They knew each other, right? 556 00:26:04,501 --> 00:26:06,168 Or my sister knew Charlie 557 00:26:06,237 --> 00:26:08,298 and I don't know if he helped them... 558 00:26:08,367 --> 00:26:09,805 DONNIE: Have you ever Did you see Charlie? 559 00:26:09,874 --> 00:26:11,944 -Don't know. -You know... 560 00:26:12,644 --> 00:26:14,676 when we started... 561 00:26:14,745 --> 00:26:16,311 -Sure. -...to talk, 562 00:26:16,380 --> 00:26:17,813 everyone's focus, 563 00:26:17,882 --> 00:26:19,747 -including mine... -STEPHEN: Yes. 564 00:26:19,816 --> 00:26:23,618 ...I was focused in your father and your mother, 565 00:26:23,687 --> 00:26:26,155 because nobody knew Who was this Charlie... 566 00:26:26,224 --> 00:26:28,257 -STEPHEN: I understand. -...until he showed up 567 00:26:28,326 --> 00:26:29,391 before the grand jury. 568 00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:31,126 I never, never met him, I never saw it. 569 00:26:31,195 --> 00:26:32,794 -DONNIE: Okay. -I never heard his name 570 00:26:32,863 --> 00:26:34,967 -until relatively recently. -DONNIE: I understand. 571 00:26:35,467 --> 00:26:37,970 (ENGINE ROAR) 572 00:26:46,805 --> 00:26:48,844 -ANDREA WEIGL: Are you Charlie? -CHARLIE MAY: Yes, I am. 573 00:26:48,913 --> 00:26:50,646 ANDREA: My name It's Andrea Weigl. 574 00:26:50,715 --> 00:26:51,814 And this is Cynthia. 575 00:26:51,883 --> 00:26:53,182 CYNTHIA: Hello, nice to meet you. 576 00:26:53,251 --> 00:26:56,151 ANDREA: I'm a producer. from a film company 577 00:26:56,220 --> 00:26:58,754 in North Carolina, and we are working 578 00:26:58,823 --> 00:27:01,023 in a documentary about Jennifer Pandos. 579 00:27:01,092 --> 00:27:03,659 -CHARLIE: About what? -ANDREA: About Jennifer Pandos. 580 00:27:03,728 --> 00:27:05,593 CHARLIE: Jennifer Pandos? 581 00:27:05,662 --> 00:27:07,730 ANDREA: She is a young woman. that disappeared... 582 00:27:07,799 --> 00:27:09,597 -CHARLIE: I know. -ANDREA: And I wanted to know 583 00:27:09,666 --> 00:27:11,667 if you would be willing to talk to us. 584 00:27:11,736 --> 00:27:13,602 CHARLIE: I'll talk to you. 585 00:27:13,671 --> 00:27:15,774 Mm, I have nothing to hide. 586 00:27:17,842 --> 00:27:20,108 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYS SOFT INSTRUMENTAL) ♪ 587 00:27:20,177 --> 00:27:23,412 CYNTHIA: We knew from Charlie through your father. 588 00:27:23,481 --> 00:27:26,748 Then we find like four or five Charlie Mays 589 00:27:26,817 --> 00:27:29,550 in the south, they adjusted to that age group. 590 00:27:29,619 --> 00:27:31,520 appeared in the system again 591 00:27:31,589 --> 00:27:34,322 because he had an assault charge 592 00:27:34,391 --> 00:27:36,028 and that allowed us to find it. 593 00:27:37,061 --> 00:27:38,030 Okay. 594 00:27:39,096 --> 00:27:40,065 Well... 595 00:27:44,535 --> 00:27:46,871 I would love to talk with Charlie May. 596 00:27:48,372 --> 00:27:50,906 CYNTHIA: We have the number. from the woman who operates the shelter 597 00:27:50,975 --> 00:27:53,842 -for homeless people. -Mm-mm. 598 00:27:53,911 --> 00:27:56,048 Eight hours by car from Charlotte. 599 00:27:58,015 --> 00:28:00,785 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 600 00:28:14,532 --> 00:28:15,800 (KNOCKS ON DOOR) 601 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,475 STEPHEN: Hello. How's it going? Charlie? Very well, come in. 602 00:28:25,544 --> 00:28:26,609 How are you doing, sir? 603 00:28:26,678 --> 00:28:28,271 STEPHEN: I'm doing very well, and you? 604 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:29,481 Come in, sit on the couch. 605 00:28:31,683 --> 00:28:33,549 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 606 00:28:33,618 --> 00:28:34,582 Good morning, sir. 607 00:28:34,651 --> 00:28:35,785 -I'm Charles. -STEPHEN: Good morning. 608 00:28:35,854 --> 00:28:37,019 -I'm Stephen Pandos. -Steve? 609 00:28:37,088 --> 00:28:38,521 STEPHEN: I'm the brother. by Jennifer. 610 00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:39,688 GRAND JURY WITNESS 611 00:28:39,757 --> 00:28:41,260 Oh, I'm sorry for your loss. 612 00:28:42,327 --> 00:28:43,929 I hope that... 613 00:28:44,995 --> 00:28:47,795 -we can solve this. -Yes, well. Me too. 614 00:28:47,864 --> 00:28:50,733 I would like... to have some justice for Jennifer 615 00:28:50,802 --> 00:28:52,304 and some peace for my mother. 616 00:28:52,937 --> 00:28:55,404 Yes, I'm sure. 617 00:28:55,473 --> 00:28:57,005 How did you meet Tony? 618 00:28:57,074 --> 00:28:58,474 When did you see it for the first time? 619 00:28:58,543 --> 00:29:01,076 I was on the train tracks 620 00:29:01,145 --> 00:29:03,912 one day doing my training 621 00:29:03,981 --> 00:29:07,683 martial arts and smoking a joint, 622 00:29:07,752 --> 00:29:12,187 and Tony was walking for the place, 623 00:29:12,256 --> 00:29:13,456 we sat there 624 00:29:13,525 --> 00:29:16,258 and we get high together. 625 00:29:16,327 --> 00:29:19,128 from time to time he asked me to take him 626 00:29:19,197 --> 00:29:21,664 a bag of grass and I got him some, 627 00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:24,934 or asked to bring me a bag. 628 00:29:25,003 --> 00:29:27,903 Yes, now you know, That's how it was more or less. 629 00:29:27,972 --> 00:29:30,005 We were a species... 630 00:29:30,074 --> 00:29:32,140 of partners to smoke marijuana. 631 00:29:32,209 --> 00:29:34,742 What did the police ask you? 632 00:29:34,811 --> 00:29:37,312 Basically, if you ever I helped him escape 633 00:29:37,381 --> 00:29:39,415 or to leave the house. 634 00:29:39,484 --> 00:29:40,982 I never did that. 635 00:29:41,051 --> 00:29:42,651 Did you know that she Was she Tony's girlfriend? 636 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,552 That's right, that was because he presented it 637 00:29:44,621 --> 00:29:49,057 when I saw it for the first time him and her in the store. 638 00:29:49,126 --> 00:29:52,231 "She is my girlfriend, my fiancée." 639 00:29:52,763 --> 00:29:54,730 Okay. 640 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:57,733 And then I didn't see it for a long time. 641 00:29:57,802 --> 00:30:00,802 The day he called, I was surprised. 642 00:30:00,871 --> 00:30:03,539 He said: "I have a question for you." 643 00:30:03,608 --> 00:30:05,110 I replied, "Okay." 644 00:30:05,577 --> 00:30:07,012 And he said: 645 00:30:08,046 --> 00:30:09,678 "How would you do it, 646 00:30:09,747 --> 00:30:11,984 if you had to get rid of a corpse, 647 00:30:12,617 --> 00:30:14,253 How would you do it?" 648 00:30:16,621 --> 00:30:19,788 I just said, "Well, just take... 649 00:30:19,857 --> 00:30:21,924 put it in a barrel of acid." 650 00:30:21,993 --> 00:30:25,295 That would dissolve the body or whatever. 651 00:30:25,364 --> 00:30:26,565 But he said: 652 00:30:28,732 --> 00:30:30,465 "Where can I get a barrel?" 653 00:30:30,534 --> 00:30:33,869 I replied: "I suppose an old construction site, 654 00:30:33,938 --> 00:30:36,499 I don't know. Look for an old barrel." 655 00:30:36,568 --> 00:30:37,906 -I understand. -CHARLIE: He asked: 656 00:30:37,975 --> 00:30:40,408 "And the acid?" I told him: "There are many 657 00:30:40,477 --> 00:30:43,078 different places building houses. 658 00:30:43,147 --> 00:30:45,013 They had to clean the bricks... 659 00:30:45,082 --> 00:30:47,648 after stacking them. 660 00:30:47,717 --> 00:30:51,523 The bricks usually They are cleaned with muriatic acid. 661 00:30:52,824 --> 00:30:56,125 And this is stored in gallon jugs. 662 00:30:56,194 --> 00:30:58,560 That's what you go to have to get." 663 00:30:58,629 --> 00:31:01,129 He said, "Okay, okay." 664 00:31:01,198 --> 00:31:04,169 I had a little anxiety in his voice. 665 00:31:04,769 --> 00:31:06,234 He called me and told me: 666 00:31:06,303 --> 00:31:08,871 "Hey, that little problem what I told you I had... 667 00:31:08,940 --> 00:31:12,177 Don't worry, I solved it, It's solved." 668 00:31:12,777 --> 00:31:14,276 "Uh huh?" 669 00:31:14,345 --> 00:31:16,979 I didn't understand what was he talking about. 670 00:31:17,048 --> 00:31:19,615 "About the need to dispose of the body." 671 00:31:19,684 --> 00:31:21,049 And I was like, "Yeah. Okay." 672 00:31:21,118 --> 00:31:22,350 And I laughed a little, 673 00:31:22,419 --> 00:31:24,753 then I said: "Okay, Tony. Yeah, sure." 674 00:31:24,822 --> 00:31:25,954 Know? 675 00:31:26,023 --> 00:31:29,424 I thought you were joking. 676 00:31:29,493 --> 00:31:34,063 It took two or three tries before I could say anything. 677 00:31:34,132 --> 00:31:36,565 He told me that he got into a fight with your sister. 678 00:31:36,634 --> 00:31:38,668 That... that he had hit her. 679 00:31:38,737 --> 00:31:40,803 that fell and hit his head. 680 00:31:40,872 --> 00:31:42,074 And... 681 00:31:43,575 --> 00:31:45,473 I was dead. 682 00:31:45,542 --> 00:31:48,672 I didn't think that what I was saying it was true. 683 00:31:48,741 --> 00:31:50,212 -STEPHEN: Sure. -So I didn't tell him anything. 684 00:31:50,281 --> 00:31:52,982 to the police or anyone because I didn't know. 685 00:31:53,051 --> 00:31:55,618 But I didn't think it was a joke when the police 686 00:31:55,687 --> 00:31:57,152 they came to talk to me 687 00:31:57,221 --> 00:31:58,888 saying that he had something to do with that. 688 00:31:58,957 --> 00:32:02,625 Did you tell the police in 1987 689 00:32:02,694 --> 00:32:04,663 that Tony had called you? 690 00:32:05,463 --> 00:32:09,565 I don't think that he has done it. Everything... 691 00:32:09,634 --> 00:32:11,700 Everything was crazy. 692 00:32:11,769 --> 00:32:14,069 -STEPHEN: Yes. Yes. -And... 693 00:32:14,138 --> 00:32:15,707 It's still crazy. 694 00:32:16,407 --> 00:32:18,207 So the cops showed up 695 00:32:18,276 --> 00:32:20,512 and they started to interview you in 1987. 696 00:32:21,546 --> 00:32:22,614 To harass me. 697 00:32:24,148 --> 00:32:28,150 They were like: "You are... You are... 698 00:32:28,219 --> 00:32:30,886 You are guilty. You did it. 699 00:32:30,955 --> 00:32:32,788 "You did it." "No. I didn't do that." 700 00:32:32,857 --> 00:32:34,089 What do you mean by that? 701 00:32:34,158 --> 00:32:36,257 What would you have liked? go to the neighborhood, go to your house, 702 00:32:36,326 --> 00:32:37,993 -help her leave, and... -CHARLIE: Yes. That's right. 703 00:32:38,062 --> 00:32:39,194 Exactly. 704 00:32:39,263 --> 00:32:42,034 I said it over and over and over again, 705 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,032 and again. 706 00:32:44,101 --> 00:32:48,069 I didn't take Jennifer from your house 707 00:32:48,138 --> 00:32:51,273 I didn't even help her get out of that area. 708 00:32:51,342 --> 00:32:55,844 I had nothing to do with... 709 00:32:55,913 --> 00:32:58,675 this murder or whatever you want to call it, 710 00:32:58,744 --> 00:33:02,750 could have been an accident. 711 00:33:02,819 --> 00:33:06,055 -I don't know. I wasn't there. -STEPHEN: Sure, yes, I understand. 712 00:33:06,124 --> 00:33:08,390 Did you say you used a barrel of acid? 713 00:33:08,459 --> 00:33:10,325 He only said that the problem It was resolved. 714 00:33:10,394 --> 00:33:12,161 CYNTHIA: So? You don't know how he solved it? 715 00:33:12,230 --> 00:33:13,461 I don't know, I don't know how he did it. 716 00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:15,363 CYNTHIA: Is there anyone else who have you talked to 717 00:33:15,432 --> 00:33:20,001 at that time and you told him that Tony called you 718 00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:22,507 -And what did he tell you? -No. 719 00:33:23,875 --> 00:33:25,044 No. 720 00:33:25,844 --> 00:33:27,576 Do you have more questions for me? 721 00:33:27,645 --> 00:33:28,877 STEPHEN: No, Charlie. 722 00:33:28,946 --> 00:33:31,313 I know you probably be unorthodox, 723 00:33:31,382 --> 00:33:33,549 but can I pray with you? 724 00:33:33,618 --> 00:33:34,586 STEPHEN: Sure. 725 00:33:37,754 --> 00:33:40,889 Merciful heavenly Father, Lord God, Jehovah, 726 00:33:40,958 --> 00:33:42,290 I ask you father God 727 00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:45,127 put your hands about the Pandos family. 728 00:33:45,196 --> 00:33:47,429 Give them Jennifer back. 729 00:33:47,498 --> 00:33:50,265 Lord, I ask you to take it and bring it 730 00:33:50,334 --> 00:33:52,367 so that the family have a closure. 731 00:33:52,436 --> 00:33:55,404 Put your loving arms around the family. 732 00:33:55,473 --> 00:33:58,240 I lift them up to you, Lord, to protect them. 733 00:33:58,309 --> 00:34:01,043 And find comfort. 734 00:34:01,112 --> 00:34:03,682 ♪ (MUSIC PLAYS SOFT ELECTRONICS) ♪ 735 00:34:09,053 --> 00:34:10,555 STEPHEN: It was difficult. to listen. 736 00:34:17,795 --> 00:34:19,131 Really hard to listen to. 737 00:34:22,533 --> 00:34:24,199 CYNTHIA: So, how reliable do you think 738 00:34:24,268 --> 00:34:25,637 What is Charlie May? 739 00:34:27,037 --> 00:34:29,370 STEPHEN: Charlie. It has its problems. 740 00:34:29,439 --> 00:34:31,543 But it doesn't have no reason to invent it. 741 00:34:33,945 --> 00:34:35,711 CYNTHIA: I'm worried. 742 00:34:35,780 --> 00:34:37,046 that in 1987, 743 00:34:37,115 --> 00:34:39,048 when they interviewed him initially, 744 00:34:39,117 --> 00:34:42,584 I wouldn't say absolutely none of this. 745 00:34:42,653 --> 00:34:45,620 STEPHEN: Certainly. disappointed that he didn't. 746 00:34:45,689 --> 00:34:48,523 What are the reasons Why didn't he do it? I don't know. 747 00:34:48,592 --> 00:34:51,826 None of them could be very good. 748 00:34:51,895 --> 00:34:55,130 CYNTHIA: Yes, with that story, if you were sitting there 749 00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:59,000 being a prosecutor, With that evidence you have... 750 00:34:59,069 --> 00:35:00,372 STEPHEN: You would want more. 751 00:35:06,910 --> 00:35:11,850 During the last week, there have been one or two moments 752 00:35:13,050 --> 00:35:14,549 in which I have felt 753 00:35:14,618 --> 00:35:17,485 what shame to think that my parents 754 00:35:17,554 --> 00:35:21,326 are involved in this moral atrocity disappears. 755 00:35:22,392 --> 00:35:26,328 But those moments, all that... 756 00:35:26,397 --> 00:35:28,063 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 757 00:35:28,132 --> 00:35:31,934 ...is replaced out of extreme guilt. 758 00:35:32,003 --> 00:35:35,174 You understand? For everything what I have denied to my mother 759 00:35:36,073 --> 00:35:38,240 in his relationship with Elizabeth 760 00:35:38,309 --> 00:35:42,210 and Anna Catherine, and theirs with it. 761 00:35:42,279 --> 00:35:44,412 And it's nobody's fault more than mine 762 00:35:44,481 --> 00:35:48,517 that has caused so much damage, 763 00:35:48,586 --> 00:35:51,656 on top of a situation already tragic. 764 00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:55,656 And... that's crushing. 765 00:35:55,725 --> 00:35:58,527 CYNTHIA: What is it? the next step with your mom? 766 00:35:58,596 --> 00:36:00,863 Get more information from Jake 767 00:36:00,932 --> 00:36:02,334 Yes I can. 768 00:36:05,637 --> 00:36:06,671 And then... 769 00:36:08,573 --> 00:36:10,609 fix things with her. 770 00:36:11,609 --> 00:36:13,245 everyone He needs his mom. 771 00:36:14,511 --> 00:36:16,381 CYNTHIA: I think she He needs you too. 772 00:36:16,748 --> 00:36:17,716 Yes. 773 00:36:20,251 --> 00:36:23,318 CHRISTINE: What do you want? of Stephen? 774 00:36:23,387 --> 00:36:26,822 Do you want... an apology or...? 775 00:36:26,891 --> 00:36:28,660 No, no apologies. 776 00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:31,296 What he did... 777 00:36:32,230 --> 00:36:33,732 and what he's doing... 778 00:36:35,934 --> 00:36:39,371 with the... investigation... 779 00:36:40,171 --> 00:36:42,441 It just fills my heart. 780 00:36:43,140 --> 00:36:44,343 But... 781 00:36:45,142 --> 00:36:46,975 he breaks it at the same time 782 00:36:47,044 --> 00:36:48,208 that he... 783 00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,579 (CLEARS THROAT) 784 00:36:50,648 --> 00:36:53,982 ...the one you took the attitude he has with me. 785 00:36:54,051 --> 00:36:55,584 But no, 786 00:36:55,653 --> 00:36:57,452 you don't need to enter the door 787 00:36:57,521 --> 00:36:58,958 and say, "Mom, I'm sorry." 788 00:37:01,526 --> 00:37:02,627 Am... 789 00:37:04,062 --> 00:37:06,226 All you need to do 790 00:37:07,059 --> 00:37:10,002 is to enter through the door. That's all. 791 00:37:11,568 --> 00:37:13,672 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 792 00:37:25,349 --> 00:37:26,848 AUTOMATIC VOICE: This call will be recorded. 793 00:37:26,917 --> 00:37:28,818 STEPHEN PANDOS TALKING WITH THE DOCUMENTALIST 794 00:37:28,887 --> 00:37:31,047 STEPHEN: I talked to Jake. for a second. 795 00:37:31,116 --> 00:37:33,321 And he made reference because my sister 796 00:37:33,390 --> 00:37:35,090 He wrote a note to Tony. 797 00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:36,692 I don't know if in a notebook, 798 00:37:36,761 --> 00:37:38,763 the night before that it disappeared. 799 00:37:39,196 --> 00:37:40,295 CYNTHIA: Oh. 800 00:37:40,364 --> 00:37:42,464 STEPHEN: Jake doesn't know. if she gave it to him. 801 00:37:42,533 --> 00:37:46,834 If she read it to him, or whatever. 802 00:37:46,903 --> 00:37:49,474 CYNTHIA: And how do you know? What was written that night? 803 00:37:50,807 --> 00:37:52,573 STEPHEN: The night before it disappeared? 804 00:37:52,642 --> 00:37:54,613 -I guess it was dated. -CYNTHIA: Yes. 805 00:37:55,980 --> 00:37:58,814 (RINGTONE) 806 00:37:58,883 --> 00:38:01,316 -JAKE: Hello. -Hello, Jake. It's Stephen. 807 00:38:01,385 --> 00:38:02,951 -JAKE: Hello. -How are you? 808 00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:04,047 JAKE: Very good. 809 00:38:04,116 --> 00:38:06,388 Regarding to the note I have, 810 00:38:06,457 --> 00:38:08,023 the copy I found in the file, 811 00:38:08,092 --> 00:38:10,025 It is dated February 9 812 00:38:10,094 --> 00:38:13,128 -from 87 at 7:42 p.m. -Okay. 813 00:38:13,197 --> 00:38:15,030 -Okay. -JAKE: This is what it says: 814 00:38:15,099 --> 00:38:17,499 "Tony, hello, what's up? 815 00:38:17,568 --> 00:38:20,201 I almost imagine that you are with Cori right now. 816 00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:22,337 Anyway, I am writing to tell you 817 00:38:22,406 --> 00:38:24,872 that you shouldn't having lied to me 818 00:38:24,941 --> 00:38:27,943 I'm still not sure what What am I going to do to hurt you? 819 00:38:28,012 --> 00:38:30,778 the way that You hurt me by lying to me. 820 00:38:30,847 --> 00:38:34,449 But I can assure you which won't be pleasant. 821 00:38:34,518 --> 00:38:36,584 I think I'm going to make you a very, very big favor..." 822 00:38:36,653 --> 00:38:38,354 STEPHEN: "I think I'll to do a favor 823 00:38:38,423 --> 00:38:39,754 very, very big. 824 00:38:39,823 --> 00:38:42,658 Just don't ask what it is, I will tell you when I feel 825 00:38:42,727 --> 00:38:44,293 let it be the right time. 826 00:38:44,362 --> 00:38:45,927 But I'll tell you this." 827 00:38:45,996 --> 00:38:46,929 JENNIFER'S FRIEND 828 00:38:46,998 --> 00:38:49,698 "It will be a very great favor, at least in my eyes, 829 00:38:49,767 --> 00:38:51,734 that they could be cheating on you. 830 00:38:51,803 --> 00:38:53,836 Well I'll just say 831 00:38:53,905 --> 00:38:56,371 that you will pay for having lied to me. "Jennifer." 832 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:57,473 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 833 00:38:57,542 --> 00:38:59,641 While I was writing that, 834 00:38:59,710 --> 00:39:02,711 It was the night before. I talked to her that night. 835 00:39:02,780 --> 00:39:04,612 (SOBBING) 836 00:39:04,681 --> 00:39:07,782 If Jennifer was about to... surprise him 837 00:39:07,851 --> 00:39:11,286 for a lie, for a big lie where he... 838 00:39:11,355 --> 00:39:13,454 If Tony had something to lose, 839 00:39:13,523 --> 00:39:15,657 it's not far away that something bad 840 00:39:15,726 --> 00:39:18,463 -and involuntary has happened. -Yeah. Yes. 841 00:39:19,096 --> 00:39:21,496 I told Jake... 842 00:39:21,565 --> 00:39:22,998 that she would have gone out from the house 843 00:39:23,067 --> 00:39:24,332 by one person 844 00:39:24,401 --> 00:39:26,366 and that person would have been Tony. 845 00:39:27,605 --> 00:39:29,538 But they are all... 846 00:39:29,607 --> 00:39:31,406 these emotions for which I remember 847 00:39:31,475 --> 00:39:33,676 have happened at that time, 848 00:39:33,745 --> 00:39:35,543 being angry and I think if she 849 00:39:35,612 --> 00:39:36,978 -he really ran away... -And then you learn... 850 00:39:37,047 --> 00:39:38,780 -...and then you learn... -...that has nothing 851 00:39:38,849 --> 00:39:40,015 -what to do with you. -Exactly. 852 00:39:40,084 --> 00:39:41,850 And how you internalize it. And how you think about that. 853 00:39:41,919 --> 00:39:44,052 -It's crazy. -You know, how... 854 00:39:44,121 --> 00:39:47,918 The way people experience things 855 00:39:47,987 --> 00:39:49,324 -and the reality... -Yes. 856 00:39:49,393 --> 00:39:52,227 ...can be 180 degrees opposite 857 00:39:52,296 --> 00:39:53,899 -what they think. -That's how it is. 858 00:39:54,633 --> 00:39:57,802 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 859 00:40:05,509 --> 00:40:06,574 STEPHEN: Jake called me last night. 860 00:40:06,643 --> 00:40:08,143 STEPHEN TALKING WITH THE DOCUMENTALIST 861 00:40:08,212 --> 00:40:09,745 He did it from the laboratory. 862 00:40:09,814 --> 00:40:12,214 Jake spoke to the examiner. 863 00:40:12,283 --> 00:40:15,854 Based on Tony's letters that Jennifer had saved... 864 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:19,521 she sent a report that leans 865 00:40:19,590 --> 00:40:21,927 with a higher probability towards Tony. 866 00:40:23,027 --> 00:40:24,625 JAKE: The shape in which it is written 867 00:40:24,694 --> 00:40:26,361 points out that individual did it. 868 00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:27,963 STEPHEN TALKING WITH RESEARCHER JAKE RICE 869 00:40:28,032 --> 00:40:29,665 JAKE: So? probability is a... 870 00:40:29,734 --> 00:40:32,367 -Well, we are 50/50. -Yeah. 871 00:40:32,436 --> 00:40:34,736 JAKE: Suggest. that he wrote it. 872 00:40:34,805 --> 00:40:37,572 You have been patient for a long time. 873 00:40:37,641 --> 00:40:40,179 You'll just have to be patient a little more. 874 00:40:41,578 --> 00:40:44,016 ♪ (SUSPENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 875 00:40:44,882 --> 00:40:45,915 NARRATOR: Stephen found out 876 00:40:45,984 --> 00:40:47,648 by county attorney by James City 877 00:40:47,717 --> 00:40:50,990 that the police were able to collect samples of Tony's DNA. 878 00:40:52,190 --> 00:40:54,555 More information about the case had presented 879 00:40:54,624 --> 00:40:57,562 publicly in court of Williamsburg. 880 00:41:08,907 --> 00:41:10,706 NARRATOR: Court of James City County, 881 00:41:10,775 --> 00:41:12,677 Williamsburg, Virginia. 882 00:41:14,178 --> 00:41:16,106 OFFICER: Keys, chains and wallets, sir. 883 00:41:16,175 --> 00:41:17,112 Put them on the tray. leave them 884 00:41:17,181 --> 00:41:19,651 on the conveyor belt and we will scan it. 885 00:41:23,521 --> 00:41:26,992 (SCANNER BEEP) 886 00:41:28,758 --> 00:41:31,054 NARRATOR: Stephen speaking with the documentary filmmaker. 887 00:41:31,123 --> 00:41:32,895 Okay, I talked to Nate Green, 888 00:41:32,964 --> 00:41:35,797 the commonwealth's attorney of Williamsburg. 889 00:41:35,866 --> 00:41:37,665 Well, they sent the note that the night was left 890 00:41:37,734 --> 00:41:39,735 when Jennifer disappeared to the laboratory 891 00:41:39,804 --> 00:41:41,269 for DNA analysis. 892 00:41:41,338 --> 00:41:46,208 And he just came back with DNA of the Y chromosome in the letter. 893 00:41:46,277 --> 00:41:48,580 And it's not my father's DNA. 894 00:41:49,613 --> 00:41:52,214 He told me that he had a search warrant 895 00:41:52,283 --> 00:41:54,817 for Tony's DNA. 896 00:41:54,886 --> 00:41:58,020 and that he had spoken with your lawyer 897 00:41:58,089 --> 00:42:01,223 and that he had an appointment at 9:00 o'clock this morning 898 00:42:01,292 --> 00:42:04,159 to obtain Tony's DNA. 899 00:42:04,228 --> 00:42:05,527 This is the affidavit 900 00:42:05,596 --> 00:42:08,464 for an order to take Tony's DNA. 901 00:42:08,533 --> 00:42:10,399 I think it's 13 pages, 902 00:42:10,468 --> 00:42:13,168 and then annex A is the sworn statement 903 00:42:13,237 --> 00:42:14,269 of the police department. 904 00:42:14,338 --> 00:42:17,139 The affidavit only details the probable cause 905 00:42:17,208 --> 00:42:18,310 of the search warrant. 906 00:42:19,711 --> 00:42:21,013 Okay, let's go. 907 00:42:22,313 --> 00:42:24,679 There are thirteen. It would be 6.50. 908 00:42:24,748 --> 00:42:26,081 -STEPHEN: Thank you. -COLLECTOR: You're welcome. 909 00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:29,318 -Have a good day. -STEPHEN: Thank you. You too. 910 00:42:29,387 --> 00:42:31,547 NARRATOR: The affidavit included a summary 911 00:42:31,616 --> 00:42:33,621 of the statements from Charlie May to the police 912 00:42:33,690 --> 00:42:35,557 in 2017, revealing discrepancies 913 00:42:35,626 --> 00:42:37,126 between what he told him to the police 914 00:42:37,195 --> 00:42:40,099 and what he said to Stephen and documentary filmmakers. 915 00:42:43,868 --> 00:42:46,769 This says that: "On the 24th October 2017... 916 00:42:46,838 --> 00:42:48,103 STEPHEN LEE SUMMARY FROM THE POLICE 917 00:42:48,172 --> 00:42:50,039 ...researcher Rice interviewed Charlie May 918 00:42:50,108 --> 00:42:52,073 at the police department of Crestview Florida. 919 00:42:52,142 --> 00:42:54,709 Charlie May told him that Tony called him 920 00:42:54,778 --> 00:42:56,679 and asked him how he would get rid of it of the evidence 921 00:42:56,748 --> 00:42:57,913 if he had killed someone. 922 00:42:57,982 --> 00:43:00,850 Charlie told Tony that would put it in acid. 923 00:43:00,919 --> 00:43:02,951 Charlie states which wasn't until later 924 00:43:03,020 --> 00:43:05,554 what Tony told him that he had killed his girlfriend. 925 00:43:05,623 --> 00:43:07,755 Charlie stated that Tony told him 926 00:43:07,824 --> 00:43:09,924 who had a fight with her for getting pregnant 927 00:43:09,993 --> 00:43:12,895 and that his parents were going to file rape charges." 928 00:43:12,964 --> 00:43:14,530 CYNTHIA: Charlie. He didn't tell us all this 929 00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:15,764 when we were in Florida. 930 00:43:15,833 --> 00:43:17,733 -Yes, he said something. -CYNTHIA: He didn't say anything. 931 00:43:17,802 --> 00:43:19,295 about rape charges. 932 00:43:19,364 --> 00:43:21,069 Well no, He didn't say anything about that, 933 00:43:21,138 --> 00:43:22,241 but... 934 00:43:24,503 --> 00:43:27,108 But he talked about the barrel and talked about acid. 935 00:43:27,177 --> 00:43:29,778 So it seems that Tony told him that he had stolen 936 00:43:29,847 --> 00:43:32,147 a little acid from a construction site 937 00:43:32,216 --> 00:43:33,348 with a metal barrel. 938 00:43:33,417 --> 00:43:36,417 "Tony told Charlie that I had placed it in the barrel 939 00:43:36,486 --> 00:43:38,286 and had filled it with acid. 940 00:43:38,355 --> 00:43:39,722 Charlie claims that Tony 941 00:43:39,791 --> 00:43:41,556 I would never say what he did with the barrel. 942 00:43:41,625 --> 00:43:44,026 But Charlie informed him that there was a low area 943 00:43:44,095 --> 00:43:45,893 on the right side of the railway tracks 944 00:43:45,962 --> 00:43:48,597 that runs behind the park of Windy Hill trailers. 945 00:43:48,666 --> 00:43:49,865 CYNTHIA: Because in this 946 00:43:49,934 --> 00:43:53,163 says the story of the barrel of acid happened. 947 00:43:53,232 --> 00:43:54,464 And when we talk to him, 948 00:43:54,533 --> 00:43:56,872 He said he wasn't sure. whether it happened. 949 00:43:56,941 --> 00:43:58,741 Well, it's true, but... 950 00:43:58,810 --> 00:44:00,208 what he said in Florida 951 00:44:00,277 --> 00:44:03,148 That's what he told him to Tony that he would do. 952 00:44:04,649 --> 00:44:05,881 CYNTHIA: In this story, 953 00:44:05,950 --> 00:44:07,882 He says that's what he... 954 00:44:07,951 --> 00:44:10,219 -That's what he did. -CYNTHIA: That's what Tony did. 955 00:44:10,288 --> 00:44:12,191 Mm-mm. That's how it is. 956 00:44:13,285 --> 00:44:15,127 I don't know, this is too much... 957 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,264 material for my mind. So... 958 00:44:20,765 --> 00:44:22,834 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 959 00:44:29,474 --> 00:44:30,839 FORMER JAMES CITY POLICE OFFICER 960 00:44:30,908 --> 00:44:32,540 STEPHEN: Hi, Wendi. 961 00:44:32,609 --> 00:44:34,075 Hello, Stephen. How are you? 962 00:44:34,144 --> 00:44:36,245 -Good. How are you? -WENDI REED: Good. 963 00:44:36,314 --> 00:44:38,714 STEPHEN: So you have this search warrant 964 00:44:38,783 --> 00:44:40,650 and affidavit? 965 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:42,684 That's how it is. Yes. 966 00:44:42,753 --> 00:44:46,321 And... what do you think after reading this? 967 00:44:46,390 --> 00:44:50,059 Yes, I left the department in 2019 968 00:44:50,128 --> 00:44:56,564 and now I'm retired from there. I still talk to... 969 00:44:56,633 --> 00:44:58,767 some people of the department. 970 00:44:58,836 --> 00:45:01,636 I have some different opinions. 971 00:45:01,705 --> 00:45:05,140 You know, the first is seeing Charlie May 972 00:45:05,209 --> 00:45:08,343 as someone trustworthy. They did some interviews 973 00:45:08,412 --> 00:45:10,513 -in Florida. -Yeah. 974 00:45:10,582 --> 00:45:12,481 They told me that he gave 975 00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:15,350 I think four statements written differently. 976 00:45:15,419 --> 00:45:19,789 So for me that is a little worrying 977 00:45:19,858 --> 00:45:21,090 from the point of view 978 00:45:21,159 --> 00:45:25,594 to obtain a statement someone's valid 979 00:45:25,663 --> 00:45:27,129 STEPHEN: I understand. 980 00:45:27,198 --> 00:45:29,965 WENDI: As for the information that was provided, 981 00:45:30,034 --> 00:45:35,871 I find it hard to believe that a 17 year old young man 982 00:45:35,940 --> 00:45:38,406 know where to find that kind of thing. 983 00:45:38,475 --> 00:45:43,979 And that a 17 year old young man be able to kill someone, 984 00:45:44,048 --> 00:45:46,948 hide the body, never tell anyone 985 00:45:47,017 --> 00:45:50,718 except one person who did it 986 00:45:50,787 --> 00:45:52,788 and then the body is never found. 987 00:45:52,857 --> 00:45:55,394 Forty-five kilos of weight 988 00:45:56,594 --> 00:45:57,692 there could be many more 989 00:45:57,761 --> 00:46:00,362 when you start to mix liquid with it. 990 00:46:00,431 --> 00:46:05,568 I understand what they said who used a 200 liter barrel. 991 00:46:05,637 --> 00:46:07,903 That would be something very heavy. 992 00:46:07,972 --> 00:46:11,941 That would be hard to handle. for anyone. 993 00:46:12,010 --> 00:46:13,308 WENDI: Exactly. 994 00:46:13,377 --> 00:46:16,411 By reading this attached file for the search warrant, 995 00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:20,115 It seems that the whole case What do they have against Tony? 996 00:46:20,184 --> 00:46:23,518 is based on what Charlie May said 997 00:46:23,587 --> 00:46:27,317 until you arrive to the last paragraph of that page 998 00:46:27,386 --> 00:46:28,824 when they talk about the lyrics. 999 00:46:28,893 --> 00:46:30,793 So there is... 1000 00:46:30,862 --> 00:46:33,762 still many doubts. 1001 00:46:33,831 --> 00:46:37,899 What I learned of this discovery 1002 00:46:37,968 --> 00:46:40,035 from the original case file... 1003 00:46:40,104 --> 00:46:43,872 it definitely gave me reasons 1004 00:46:43,941 --> 00:46:46,474 to rethink the case against your mom and dad. 1005 00:46:46,543 --> 00:46:50,646 It definitely raised doubts in me. 1006 00:46:50,715 --> 00:46:52,715 But the same goes for Tony. 1007 00:46:52,784 --> 00:46:54,516 Yeah, like for a decade, 1008 00:46:54,585 --> 00:46:57,352 everyone told me that They were my parents. You understand? 1009 00:46:57,421 --> 00:47:00,322 I can't tell you how horrible what does it feel like... 1010 00:47:00,391 --> 00:47:03,225 accuse people to kill his son 1011 00:47:03,294 --> 00:47:06,796 and then discover that there is information 1012 00:47:06,865 --> 00:47:09,064 that was there from the beginning 1013 00:47:09,133 --> 00:47:12,601 that would have helped for that not to happen. 1014 00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:15,835 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1015 00:47:18,175 --> 00:47:20,175 All the evidence what we have in this case, 1016 00:47:20,244 --> 00:47:22,614 Guess who it points to? To you. 1017 00:47:32,824 --> 00:47:36,428 Wendi could be quite... 1018 00:47:37,362 --> 00:47:38,330 unpleasant. 1019 00:47:40,497 --> 00:47:44,066 That is, very disrespectful and rude. 1020 00:47:44,135 --> 00:47:46,802 But I guess all that It's part of the game. 1021 00:47:46,871 --> 00:47:49,672 Don't sit and do polite questions 1022 00:47:49,741 --> 00:47:51,043 when you want something. 1023 00:47:52,377 --> 00:47:53,345 You know... 1024 00:47:57,047 --> 00:48:02,418 destroyed my relationships with my son and my sisters. 1025 00:48:02,487 --> 00:48:03,819 Oh really. 1026 00:48:03,888 --> 00:48:05,453 CYNTHIA: Do you have any hope 1027 00:48:05,522 --> 00:48:08,324 that there is a resolution in the case? 1028 00:48:08,393 --> 00:48:09,594 I don't see one. 1029 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,999 Not really. It's been too long. 1030 00:48:17,968 --> 00:48:20,005 (RINGTONE) 1031 00:48:21,238 --> 00:48:22,905 AUTOMATIC VOICE: Your call has been forwarded 1032 00:48:22,974 --> 00:48:25,775 to an automated system voice messaging. 1033 00:48:25,844 --> 00:48:27,643 Good morning. This is Stephen Pandos. 1034 00:48:27,712 --> 00:48:30,245 I just called to see... 1035 00:48:30,314 --> 00:48:32,781 if there is an update from the laboratory. 1036 00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:35,346 I think they have passed ten weeks, today. 1037 00:48:35,415 --> 00:48:36,885 If you could call me 1038 00:48:36,954 --> 00:48:38,086 when you have a minute, 1039 00:48:38,155 --> 00:48:40,192 I would appreciate it. Thank you so much. 1040 00:48:41,892 --> 00:48:45,794 CYNTHIA: And how long have you been with this now? Do you remember? 1041 00:48:45,863 --> 00:48:50,298 STEPHEN: Since January 2009. 1042 00:48:50,367 --> 00:48:53,068 Fourteen years. Thirteen and a half years more or less. 1043 00:48:53,137 --> 00:48:57,973 And I've been filming the documentary... 1044 00:48:58,042 --> 00:48:59,374 seven years. 1045 00:48:59,443 --> 00:49:01,977 CYNTHIA: Yes, we have been in this 1046 00:49:02,046 --> 00:49:04,646 -for a while. -Yes that's how it is. 1047 00:49:04,715 --> 00:49:07,983 CYNTHIA: I've seen you change. through this process. 1048 00:49:08,052 --> 00:49:10,019 When you started this mission, 1049 00:49:10,088 --> 00:49:11,887 I think your crusade 1050 00:49:11,956 --> 00:49:14,323 It had a punitive component. 1051 00:49:14,392 --> 00:49:16,491 STEPHEN: Yes. Probably, you know, 1052 00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,095 In the early days, this was a way 1053 00:49:20,164 --> 00:49:22,734 in which maybe... 1054 00:49:26,203 --> 00:49:29,500 I exercised all my anger accumulated towards my father 1055 00:49:29,569 --> 00:49:31,540 for the childhood I had. 1056 00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:33,641 CYNTHIA: Can we talk? of DNA tests? 1057 00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:37,179 It seems like such a possibility remote for them to extract DNA 1058 00:49:37,248 --> 00:49:39,882 from a note left in Jennifer's room 1059 00:49:39,951 --> 00:49:41,116 35 years ago. 1060 00:49:41,185 --> 00:49:42,583 And for 20 of those years, 1061 00:49:42,652 --> 00:49:44,419 you know it was in your mother's possession. 1062 00:49:44,488 --> 00:49:46,522 STEPHEN: Yeah, and you know, sure other people 1063 00:49:46,591 --> 00:49:48,090 They played the note. 1064 00:49:48,159 --> 00:49:49,524 CYNTHIA: What if they give you the results? 1065 00:49:49,593 --> 00:49:52,127 and there is no coincidence? What would that mean? 1066 00:49:52,196 --> 00:49:53,495 Nothing really. 1067 00:49:53,564 --> 00:49:54,763 because many people 1068 00:49:54,832 --> 00:49:56,768 has had in his hands that note. 1069 00:49:58,202 --> 00:50:01,136 CYNTHIA: At this point, is it important that you know 1070 00:50:01,205 --> 00:50:02,707 What happened to Jennifer? 1071 00:50:04,274 --> 00:50:08,047 Jennifer's truth, be it Whatever it is, it deserves to be told. 1072 00:50:19,323 --> 00:50:21,256 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1073 00:50:21,325 --> 00:50:22,490 COUNTY ATTORNEY JAMES CITY 1074 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,059 -Hello, Stephen. -STEPHEN: How are you? 1075 00:50:24,128 --> 00:50:25,728 -I'm glad to see you. -I'm glad to see you. 1076 00:50:25,797 --> 00:50:26,594 NATE GREEN: Follow me. 1077 00:50:26,663 --> 00:50:28,230 We have spoken on the phone so many times 1078 00:50:28,299 --> 00:50:30,165 and I'm not even sure. Have you ever been here? 1079 00:50:30,234 --> 00:50:32,568 STEPHEN: I've never been. Not in your office, no. 1080 00:50:32,637 --> 00:50:34,273 -Take a seat. -Yeah. 1081 00:50:37,341 --> 00:50:39,274 I guess we're still waiting for an update 1082 00:50:39,343 --> 00:50:41,109 -from the laboratory. -Yeah. 1083 00:50:41,178 --> 00:50:43,212 And from what I understand, It's been a long time. 1084 00:50:43,281 --> 00:50:46,081 NATE: It's been a lot longer. than we expected. 1085 00:50:46,150 --> 00:50:48,984 I know you've been frustrated 1086 00:50:49,053 --> 00:50:51,519 with... 1087 00:50:51,588 --> 00:50:55,891 our inability to give you updates on this case. 1088 00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,326 and I would love be able to tell you more 1089 00:50:58,395 --> 00:51:00,362 about what we are doing, but it's there 1090 00:51:00,431 --> 00:51:02,797 where we enter in that balance 1091 00:51:02,866 --> 00:51:05,768 that I have to be fair both with the investigation 1092 00:51:05,837 --> 00:51:07,831 as with anyone 1093 00:51:07,900 --> 00:51:09,371 that can be accused in the future. 1094 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,241 Simply I can't talk to you 1095 00:51:13,310 --> 00:51:15,844 about where it's going research now. 1096 00:51:15,913 --> 00:51:17,312 I can't imagine 1097 00:51:17,381 --> 00:51:20,382 what you've been going through. I have nothing but sympathy 1098 00:51:20,451 --> 00:51:22,952 for everything you and your family have passed 1099 00:51:23,021 --> 00:51:24,086 because of this. 1100 00:51:24,155 --> 00:51:27,390 I would like nothing more that being able to give you 1101 00:51:27,459 --> 00:51:28,223 that truth 1102 00:51:28,292 --> 00:51:29,825 in the courtroom. 1103 00:51:29,894 --> 00:51:31,660 But I don't want to say either 1104 00:51:31,729 --> 00:51:33,528 that I know for sure 1105 00:51:33,597 --> 00:51:35,964 that eventually we will to be in a position 1106 00:51:36,033 --> 00:51:37,166 in which we can 1107 00:51:37,235 --> 00:51:40,168 accuse someone This is very different 1108 00:51:40,237 --> 00:51:42,070 to anything that we have handled, 1109 00:51:42,139 --> 00:51:44,305 to anything that I have handled. 1110 00:51:44,374 --> 00:51:47,242 Because we didn't have that original file, 1111 00:51:47,311 --> 00:51:49,144 you know we arrived 1112 00:51:49,213 --> 00:51:51,412 to some wrong conclusions 1113 00:51:51,481 --> 00:51:52,948 because of imperfect information. 1114 00:51:53,017 --> 00:51:54,749 and probably we have overlooked 1115 00:51:54,818 --> 00:51:58,554 something I think I should have have made it clearer 1116 00:51:58,623 --> 00:51:59,688 years ago. 1117 00:51:59,757 --> 00:52:03,225 And that is the information what we have now, 1118 00:52:03,294 --> 00:52:06,294 that your parents are not suspects in this case. 1119 00:52:06,363 --> 00:52:08,263 They were at one time, 1120 00:52:08,332 --> 00:52:09,531 but this office 1121 00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:11,933 is not considering to your parents, 1122 00:52:12,002 --> 00:52:14,202 either your mother or your father, 1123 00:52:14,271 --> 00:52:16,672 as involved in the disappearance of your sister. 1124 00:52:16,741 --> 00:52:19,108 We do not suspect that your father did this 1125 00:52:19,177 --> 00:52:20,409 and we do not suspect 1126 00:52:20,478 --> 00:52:23,474 that your mother had knowledge of it 1127 00:52:23,543 --> 00:52:24,580 or participate. 1128 00:52:24,649 --> 00:52:26,751 ♪ (SOMB MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1129 00:52:53,710 --> 00:52:56,481 CYNTHIA: Where does this leave you? now with your mom? 1130 00:52:58,949 --> 00:53:01,954 I feel like I have to... am... 1131 00:53:03,220 --> 00:53:04,589 reboot... 1132 00:53:07,826 --> 00:53:09,461 that relationship. 1133 00:53:10,894 --> 00:53:13,598 So I have to do it and I must try. 1134 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,367 I want to go and I want to talk with my mother about it, 1135 00:53:18,436 --> 00:53:22,942 and I need to do it... in private. 1136 00:53:24,541 --> 00:53:26,775 What I'm going to tell my mom 1137 00:53:26,844 --> 00:53:29,712 is that the police now He's suspicious of Tony. 1138 00:53:29,781 --> 00:53:31,516 I don't know the result... 1139 00:53:32,783 --> 00:53:35,550 and probably I'm going to leave it like that. 1140 00:53:35,619 --> 00:53:39,922 I'm not going in in... none of the details 1141 00:53:39,991 --> 00:53:41,357 from what Charlie said. 1142 00:53:41,426 --> 00:53:42,794 That's too much. 1143 00:53:45,429 --> 00:53:47,928 I have to use the lessons learned 1144 00:53:47,997 --> 00:53:52,434 of all this experience to have a better relationship. 1145 00:53:52,503 --> 00:53:55,403 I feel in my heart that It's what I have to do. 1146 00:53:55,472 --> 00:53:57,139 she needs a relationship with me 1147 00:53:57,208 --> 00:53:58,908 and with his granddaughters, 1148 00:53:58,977 --> 00:53:59,975 he needs it. 1149 00:54:00,044 --> 00:54:03,782 -♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ -(BIRDS SINGING) 1150 00:54:34,445 --> 00:54:36,315 -STEPHEN: Hello, mom. -MARGIE: Hello, son. 1151 00:54:36,948 --> 00:54:38,483 How nice to see you. 1152 00:54:53,764 --> 00:54:56,064 -(COFFEE MACHINE BUZZING) -♪ (CLASSICAL MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1153 00:54:56,133 --> 00:54:57,937 NARRATOR: December, 2022. 1154 00:55:07,845 --> 00:55:09,810 two months after their meeting, 1155 00:55:09,879 --> 00:55:12,918 Nate Green contacted Stephen with DNA results. 1156 00:55:14,984 --> 00:55:18,053 AUTOMATIC VOICE: This call It can be recorded or transcribed. 1157 00:55:18,122 --> 00:55:19,388 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪ 1158 00:55:19,457 --> 00:55:20,522 STEPHEN: Hello. 1159 00:55:20,591 --> 00:55:21,924 STEPHEN TALKING WITH THE DOCUMENTALIST 1160 00:55:21,993 --> 00:55:22,891 CYNTHIA: What did you discover? 1161 00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:25,460 STEPHEN: (CLEARS THROWS) Good. What I understood 1162 00:55:25,529 --> 00:55:28,096 there were four different DNA samples 1163 00:55:28,165 --> 00:55:29,801 of the Y chromosome in the note. 1164 00:55:30,969 --> 00:55:33,401 When they compared to Tony and Charlie, 1165 00:55:33,470 --> 00:55:36,405 there was no coincidence in three of the four. 1166 00:55:36,474 --> 00:55:40,336 And in the room, It was not conclusive. 1167 00:55:40,405 --> 00:55:43,173 and it could have been a bad sampling of the note. 1168 00:55:43,242 --> 00:55:45,915 Or it could just mean that it wasn't him. 1169 00:55:45,984 --> 00:55:47,815 But it is not conclusive. 1170 00:55:47,884 --> 00:55:50,618 CYNTHIA: How do you feel? about all this? 1171 00:55:50,687 --> 00:55:54,357 STEPHEN: I feel like I waited. all this time for nothing. 1172 00:55:54,426 --> 00:55:55,860 My life stopped. 1173 00:55:58,896 --> 00:56:01,800 It was very, very difficult let it go when... 1174 00:56:02,500 --> 00:56:04,364 I thought it was my parents... 1175 00:56:05,136 --> 00:56:06,635 for a decade. 1176 00:56:06,704 --> 00:56:09,337 Because that's something what I couldn't live with. 1177 00:56:09,406 --> 00:56:11,476 but knowing that it wasn't them 1178 00:56:12,042 --> 00:56:14,442 and it was another person, 1179 00:56:14,511 --> 00:56:16,781 maybe that will do it easier with time. 1180 00:56:18,049 --> 00:56:20,515 I will have to be at peace 1181 00:56:20,584 --> 00:56:23,022 knowing what I've done all I can do. 1182 00:56:24,556 --> 00:56:26,425 It's hard to let go. 1183 00:56:27,491 --> 00:56:29,391 Jennifer didn't just disappear. 1184 00:56:29,460 --> 00:56:31,927 You can't get up and come out to life 1185 00:56:31,996 --> 00:56:35,364 when you are 15 years old and just disappear. 1186 00:56:35,433 --> 00:56:37,069 someone has to know what happened 1187 00:56:39,303 --> 00:56:42,637 I know that everyone wants a perfect ending, right? 1188 00:56:42,706 --> 00:56:45,107 with an arrest and the person responsible 1189 00:56:45,176 --> 00:56:47,046 assuming the consequences. 1190 00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:49,614 But life is not perfect. 1191 00:56:51,082 --> 00:56:53,452 At the end of the day, we are where we are. 1192 00:56:55,086 --> 00:56:56,121 And that is... 1193 00:56:58,022 --> 00:56:59,419 without knowing anything. 1194 00:57:01,891 --> 00:57:05,425 -(CRICKETS CHIRPING) -♪ (SINEST MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1195 00:57:08,500 --> 00:57:10,566 I understand what I did. 1196 00:57:10,635 --> 00:57:13,001 Yes. I'll talk to you later. 1197 00:57:13,070 --> 00:57:14,039 Okay. 1198 00:57:20,144 --> 00:57:22,443 RON: What part from "drop the damn phone" 1199 00:57:22,512 --> 00:57:24,312 -You don't understand? -JENNIFER PANDOS: Okay, Ron, 1200 00:57:24,381 --> 00:57:26,881 I'm going to put the damn phone down. 1201 00:57:26,950 --> 00:57:30,089 You already have me fed up! I can't stand you anymore! 1202 00:57:47,739 --> 00:57:52,644 ♪ (SOFT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 1203 00:59:20,599 --> 00:59:22,130 NARRATOR: In February 2023, 1204 00:59:22,199 --> 00:59:24,199 the documentary filmmakers They looked for Tony Tobler 1205 00:59:24,268 --> 00:59:27,069 for an interview follow-up, but he refused. 1206 00:59:27,138 --> 00:59:30,609 He has not had any charges in relation to Jennifer's disappearance. 1207 00:59:32,977 --> 00:59:35,347 Jennifer's case still open. 1208 00:59:43,387 --> 00:59:45,224 ♪ (MUSIC CONTINUES) ♪ 1209 01:00:10,749 --> 01:00:13,613 ♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪